You guys just went out on tour this spring...
"With the Grip kids. Grip Inc."

How did that go?
"It was weird. It was a strange crowd for us. It was a lotta fun and a lotta new faces. Some nights it was really great and some nights it was not as good as we'd hoped. But that's to be expected. It was cool because a lot of hardcore kids came out and that was something that we weren't sure was gonna happen because it was such a metal bill..."

Are you guys planning on recording? What's goin' on?
"We're spending the first half of the summer writing songs. I guess we've got like seven now. We're just going to write until we feel like we're done, whenever that may be and then we're gonna go do a record. Hopefully towards the end of the summer. We're not trying to rush, but we're in a hurry."

Why is that?
"It's been a while, and we're big on touring as a band, so any time we're at home, we feel like it's down time even if we're writing stuff. So we're all anxious to do what we really want to do which is being on the road. But we don't feel like we can do that without another record. Plus, we've got all this stuff that's been written and we're really exited about recording it too so..."

What do you see out there right now in music? The scene? ...in Florida...what's up down there?
"It seems like all the hardcore bands are sorta turning into metal bands and the stuff that's really staying hardcore is like this old school revival scene... It seems like the metal crowd and the hardcore crowd are coming together a little bit. Like the music thing is in general is getting a lot smaller... Everything's getting a lot more indie feel. Even if you look at these really huge bands, like nobody's really going to shows any more. Big bands now don't go through arenas, they go through big clubs and stuff. And as far as hardcore stuff goes... It seems like every time we play there's new people... new to the hardcore scene. It's growing so fast, it's nutty. Like whenever I go to a hardcore show now, it's crazy. It's cool man. There's just like 14 or 15 year old kids out there rockin' out... I think it's rad. It's weird The whole music thing is strange . It's so hard to read. Sometimes I think we're so isolated... like I'm so in the hardcore scene, my view is so jaded by that"

What was your craziest experience on this last tour?
"That I can talk about?"

Yeah. Like was there anything weird that happened?
"Hmmm... Let's come back to that. We toured with Dave Lombardo. That was about it. That was the bomb right there."

How was Dave?
"Dude, Dave was rad."

Drummer to drummer... you and Dave.
"Yeah! I got this great strip of film where... in Chicago actually... me and Dave jumped in the photo booth with his kids. I have four pictures of me, Dave Lombardo and Dave Lom- bardo's kids making metal faces and giving the horns. It was so awesome. It was rad."

He had his family and stuff with him the whole time?
"Yeah, yeah. His wife and his two kids were on the road with him the whole time. It was awesome."

In his phat-ass bus?
"They weren't even in the bus, they drove separately. But Grip was in a bus. It made me want a bus... It's not even having a bus, it's just having a place that mack to hang out. It's like a portable bedroom. With a kitchen. Towards the end of the tour we just wanted to get home to write this record."

What do you guys do when you're not on the road?
"Try and make money any way we can..."